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The Knowledge and Mileage Podcast

Jul 10, 2019

A biochemist and a bodybuilder walk into a bar…


We’re all trying to optimize our health by eating clean, working out, and implementing certain bio hacks, but how precise are you in your attempts? Dr. Anthony Jay thinks you can get really specific by looking at your DNA and analyzing what your genes say.

Dr. Anthony Jay started out as a “virus designer”. He would make viruses in a lab to help transport DNA into certain cells. He now works at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota researching stem cells, epigenetics, and infrared light and is the President and CEO of AJ Consulting Company. In addition to leading AJCCo, Dr. Jay is a bestselling author of Estrogeneration. He also does DNA consulting on the side, so that’s how this conversation with Kris started. Kris got his genetics testing done through 23 and Me and Dr. Jay took a look and came back with some recommendations based on Kris’s specific genes.

A little background: We have 25,000 genes. Most of our genes are great, but Dr. Jay is not looking for good genes. He’s trying to highlight the bad genes. We all have two copies of DNA in our bodies. IF you have a bad version of a gene from your mother and a bad gene from your father then your gene it is considered a ++. If you have a bad version of a gene from your mother and a good version from your dad, then you have a -+ gene. If you have good versions from both parents of that gene then you have a  - - .

The most powerful genetic issues are related to the ++ genes (two bad versions of a gene). When looking at your genetics you want to focus on the genes that have a ++ next to them.

*DISCLAIMER: The following recommendations are based on Kris’s specific DNA results and not meant to be taken as gospel for each and every person. To learn more about getting your own specific recommendations please reach out to Dr. Jay.




1:37 Recap of what Kris and Dr. Jay talked about in Episode 40

Episode 40 - Impact of Plastic on Our Hormones with Dr. Anthony Jay:

Why is BPA bad for you? Because it acts like estrogen in your body and triggers the estrogen response.

4:15 What Dr. Jay did as a “virus designer”

9:29 How Dr. Jay got into DNA consulting

14:00 A deep dive into Kris’s genetics and how he can optimize his health based on his specific results

33:56 Adverse effects associated with training

47:10 What are Telomeres?

49:29 Stem cells are great because they are great at “homing in” on inflammation and shutting it down.




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